Out of the Box Coaching and
Breakthroughs with the Enneagram, Mary R. Bast, Ph.D. 

 

Does Your Mirror Reflect
Betty Friedan, or Golda Meir? 

 

Since I first learned about the Enneagram I've thought I was an Eight, but a friend recently suggested I'm a Two. I just visited your web site, looked at the Two page, and clicked on the "A Compliant Type" link.  I enjoyed it and was interested to note the difference between the influence / manipulation of the Eight vs. the Two. I'm very much aware of the approval-seeking nature of my behavior and I think my friend may be right. But I'm not sure. Could you clear this up?

Because my reader is a woman I'll speak mainly to the female characterizations of these two styles, though in general we think of the Two as stereotypically feminine and the Eight as stereotypically masculine -- and in my experience these are exaggerated into the "fussy helper"/"manipulative seductress" and the "bully"/"big bear of a guy." Just keep in mind these are stereotypes.

Both Twos and Eights are often misunderstood, and I think they're both given a bad rap: they're seen one-dimensionally. Many people think only of the Two stereotypes of a Mother Teresa-like persona or her "evil twin," the part played by Glenn Close in the movie Fatal Attraction. I've coached many people who acknowledge they're Twos based on their clear devotion to service. I've seen many other "closet Twos," particularly in workshops (and particularly men), who describe themselves as Eights and refuse to consider Two because they can't reconcile their aggressiveness with the stereotype of "the helper."

But notice the influential style and aggressiveness of some of the Twos Condon identifies in The Enneagram Movie & Video Guide: Feminist Betty Friedan, author Erica Jong, Sophia Loren, Yoko Ono, family therapist Virginia Satir, or the role Linda Hunt plays  ("Billy Kwan") in the movie The Year of Living Dangerously.

Where Twos are mistakenly stereotyped as "always helping," Eights are mistakenly stereotyped as "always controlling." Others often transfer their unresolved authority issues onto Eights and perceive them as bigger than life. I realize Eights can be bullies, but I have trouble understanding why balanced descriptions such as this by Condon don't have more prominence in peoples' minds: "Unguarded Eights often demonstrate the strength of gentleness - they are strong enough to be kind, open enough to be touched, secure enough to be wrong, rich enough to be giving."  

Even Condon, though, has trouble coming up with female Eights. I don't know what the distribution is in the general population, but I've only coached a few female Eights. In work settings most senior executives are male anyway, and in personal life Eights -- male or female -- aren't as likely to come in for coaching as a Two would be. So, we're probably missing some good data. 

Still, Condon mentions the following women who might convey the sense of a Two-ish Eight: Golda Meir, film actresses Lucille Ball and Ida Lupino, singer Grace Slick, Barbara Walters, or the role of Kathleen Turner in the movie, V.I. Warshawski.

So how do we describe the sometimes subtle difference between a Betty Friedan and a Golda Meir? Some Twos are somewhat soft, more openly dependent, more clearly manipulative, and convey a sense of entitlement. But some are quite pushy, ambitious, focused on power. And some are more Eight-like: seemingly independent, more adventuresome. These Twos can boss people around. They can even intimidate an Eight (and I've seen this happen in a work setting). In my opinion this is possible because Twos are more relational than Eights, much better able to put themselves in someone else's shoes, and therefore can "psych someone out" in ways an Eight typically can't. Furthermore, Twos' defensiveness can show up as histrionic anger, for which an Eight has very little patience -- an Eight would be very uncomfortable sticking around for a fight of this nature.

Of a Two manager I worked with, people said, "She really engineered the program and made it work, and professionally she's solid as a rock, willing to do whatever it takes to get things done. She's excellent at sizing up client needs and very compassionate. She's the person you would want to take care of you. But when sought for advice she'll take over the entire situation. Furthermore, she has the innate ability to know what your absolute, most vulnerable spot is and cut you to the core. She gets irrational and moody, which has a fairly dramatic impact on the team." The following observation was made about her and her boss (an Eight): "They both have this dumb view that you meet control head on, and the more she goes like a bulldog, the more he pulls away from her. It's ironic that she doesn't want him to control everything, yet she's the same way."

I coached another Two client, Karen, and her brother, Darrell (a Six), who were trying to come to agreement about their father's estate. Darrell was trying to hold his own by reminding Karen of everything he'd done for the family and repeating his disappointment with their progress to date. Karen lashed into him in a very Eight-like way, but with high emotion. I made one comment: "Karen, it sounds as if you don't feel your needs are being responded to here. What is it you want?" and she started crying: she did want to be approved of and not be seen or treated as "an impossible bitch" With that level of disclosure they were able to open a conversation and finally to reach resolution.

To further illustrate the "Eight-ness" of some Twos I'll give a male example. Bob was a practical, hands-on, concrete guy and head of a private detective agency. The agents on his staff described him as having "a strong personality," being "demanding" and "short on patience," "perturbed with people when they've been instructed how to do things and then don't do it." Said one person, "He told me, 'This is not a democracy and I'll have to tighten the screws.'" "He's fired a lot of people," said another; "he can harden his heart and stiffen his neck."

As I got to know Bob I discovered he'd been a priest for 15 years, entering the seminary from high school "because it made me important and special to my family. It took me more than ten years to figure out it wasn't my vocation and another five years to make the break." After discussing the Enneagram and listening to Richard Rohr's tapes, Bob wrote out his life story, first from the perspective of his compulsion, and then from the perspective of his highest soul level (based on an exercise recommended by Tom Condon) -- captured in part below . As these excerpts demonstrate so well, it's from the heart of our motivation that we identify our Enneagram style, not from external behaviors:

COMPULSION

"As a very young child I always felt special and felt the need to do things that showed I was special. Before my sister was born and my father came back from the war I liked being the center of attention. If I didn't get my way or others seemed to be in the spotlight, I would pout, get angry, become silent -- all things that clearly told everyone I was unhappy and needed to be pacified. I put a lot of pressure on myself to succeed but when I didn't do well in athletics I quit or had plenty of excuses."

HIGH LEVEL OF SOUL

"Over-all I see myself as a good person. I see my willingness to help others, people and causes, as a generosity. I'm sensitive and can recognize a need before it's expressed and usually respond to it rather than ignore it. I don't hide or disguise my feelings -- I get emotional and can cry either from a sense of joy or a sense of sorrow. My wife and my daughter and I share special relationships that make me and them happy. I feel I've touched the lives of many people, both as a priest and as an ordinary person."

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Out of the Box Coaching/Breakthroughs with the Enneagram, Mary R. Bast, Ph.D.
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